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Thanks I’ll give that a try, I was able to try this morning and got the innerwear about half way on before the turtle put his head in the shell, lol. So maybe there is hope if I can fool the guy a little bit longer before he tries to hide. I am hoping I’m just not one of those guys that this isn’t for since I fell in love with the concept the minute I saw and read about these. I have read about hanging with weights can help get rid of the turtle but I really would rather not go that way and this concept just seemed so easy. But again thanks for the advice.