spamscottc i tried it by wearing the innerwear, skin and retainer bands (actually I have 2 retainer bands, 1- the original one I ordered which is 2 sizes smaller than when I ordered the new one and the one that came with the new innerwear). I put the larger retainer band around the base of the shaft and the smaller one behind the glans hoping this would prevent the turtle effect from pulling the innerwear off but that didn’t help. I had considered going down in size but am not sure if that is the answer the retraction when I turtle is very strong and I don’t know if that will even help.
